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GD 56 [Spoilers] : Time ...you're always kicking my @#$
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on 10/14/2004 2:32:51 AM CT |
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The stand off from last ish breaks down to a free for all while Brod gets some help and plans to get his friends back.
thoughts
- a bit funny that hero and idiot are the same word in draconic. Guess it points to how little dragons like to get involved with others. it seems that D'bra, Monty and even Faunty are something of misfits as dragons go.
- as a talking ferret from sluggy freelace would say: Stay good, Six. Stay good. I'm realy getting to like Six. She gives off an arua of almost inisence almost like Charlie. It's hard to see her as one of the bad guys.
- I have a feeling that those clothes and gear that Array makes are in fact part of her body.
- Were-cheetah Shrike: I wonder how long Array has had that body. It could be a hint to her origin if she had it before Raphiel's rebirth, a clue that it was the were rats who held/made her, or it could have been some thing she made up on the fly. but pink is a neet color for a were cheetah and the negative hair look good too
- It's great to see the Leep trio again and Monkey Girl gets a name this time
- It seems that Brod realy is the Troll. I wonder if the Shadow-Dawn Era was when the shadows atacked.
- Whoa we get four of the current 10 weapon masters this brings the count of named masters up to 5 (Rhaoton is the other confirmed WM), 6 if Gnolga or Julia are still counted as one of the ten, or 7 if they both are.
- Trolls as an off shoot of elves, or is it the other way around, is a interesting idea and I can see why the bad blood is so strong between the two races if one of the races started as outcasts of the other. there are few things as bad as fights between family members.
- I hope Brod doesn't do anything too rash, that group he has gathered could easily spark off another troll-elf war, even if none of the weapon masters want to start a war the mere fact that they are all trolls makes it a powder keg.
- M's power to "step outside of time" is pretty powerful but it seems to come with a high cost. I don't see this as how he sneeks up on people. Odd wording about time not forgiveing him I wonder if it tie in to his origin.
- What's a Nubian?
- ok now that I got the Chasing Amy joke out of the way, the whole Nubian Avatar of Battle explaines so much of Xane's personality. the whole fight first ask question later mentality.
- Very odd seeing her using the new TMNT catchphrase after takeing down Jane
- Crush's line dosen't seem quite as bad as it was in Deliverince. Tho a Xane Crush x portfolio might be nice.
- I thought Slasher was giving Jane the eye but it looks like she has taken a shine to Fluanty. Must has something to do with her hobbies and him tell them to call him sire.
- looks like M is a bot. I wonder who built him as he has been around for at least 24 years and far out classes any thing Gina has built save maybe Alpha 7 and that was only after the virus. though he could be from the future with the type of powers he has.
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on 10/14/2004 3:28:49 AM CT |
thank the deliverer that I got this issue on time.
Anyway, again, fred packs so much into each and every issue, some of us are left wondering what we missed.
I would have to say the revealing of Miricle's abilites was a true revelation. It also explains how strype's artifacts could never detect him untill he showed up. When the world stops before you, how can one react.
HOW he is able to do this is a mystery in itself, and it's effects thereof.
What seems to hurt him the most is his forced interactions with objects set in normal time, frozen, but still there. Consider, when you move, you displace air. The faster you move, the more air you must displace. The sound barrier being that sort of barrier to moveing ultra fast, but still transverseable,
although when one moves, a constant booming would ensue. That M doesn't do this says that he is actually outside of the normal scope of time, and that to affect things, he has to move IN and OUT of time, takeing and removeing things from his person as nessissary. That and his absorbing of kinetic energy is another hint to his powers. I would say that if he wasn't struggleing to have saved all the cops, the conflict would have been long over. (which is why they were flung out, because the story needed to progress)
It's also interesting to see xane's true level of strength. What's even more interesting is Strype being able to deal with all of that at once.
My guess on that is that dureing thier courtship, cheets used those moves to get a bit closer, but also to give them something more to bond with. Realize that a lot of those moves were developed with Avenger, and after starting to help Gina with her expeditions, she really never had much of a chance to use them again. Stupid crooks and villans who cross her path not withstanding.
The bit that Crush did to Xane cracked me up hardcore. My guess is she just did it to throw her off guard, which worked really well. I don't THINK she's the type to go that way (santos bro's fantasies not withstanding), but hey, there've been stranger things in fred's comic.
As far as Array goes, I wonder if her pinkish hair color is some sort of indication as to who her creator is. Anyway, I look forward to the conclusion of this episode, and it came out RIGHT at the same time as the visitor's guide to astro city. So I'm kind of in an alternate superhero frame of mind.
ON an oddball side note, maybe fred could do little flash movies of some of these more interesting battles?
anyway, I've probably missed a whole lot to cover, but I'm sure a bunch others will get to them.
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on 10/14/2004 11:13:01 PM CT |
A couple of questions....
How come we did'nt see any Trolls compete in the Arms Master Tournament?
Do you think Julia could take'em on? Come to think of it...I don't recall Julia's strength ever being fully demonstrated...besides twirling around holding Cheetach aloft during the first Lich King Saga.
Flautleroy gaged Xane's ( is her name pronounced Zany...as in " kinda nuts"?)
as that of a titan, and then promply suggested that they scatter. Did Dragons and Titans have a little skuffle in the past? As to my knowledge...titans have only been mentioned twice....in this issue and also in the Arms Master saga when Theo evoked "Titans Voice" to shout over the crowd.
As a writer of female strength stories ( shamless plug) I'm always interested in this kinda stuff!
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on 10/15/2004 12:37:13 PM CT |
A good question about titans. I never really planned to have their appearance anywhere other than as an aside, but colossal humanoid figures wielding magic and great strength did give the dragons some problems in their lore during the earliest part of the age of magic.
Faunty's never seen a titan, but its in the bedtime stories.
Agent M is NOT one of Gina's or Madrids. He's not man-made at all. But his history is already present within GD for sure. And thats all the hint I can give you without spoiling anything. (And I may have already said too much.)
Slasher was indeed looking at Fauntleroy. And Faunty should probably run *now* before its too late.
Xane isn't as strong as Crush. But Xane is a veritable "Ali" among supernaturals. In otherwords, her abilities would give *everyone* trouble.
Faster than Monty, yet strong enough to deal damage.
Stronger than Julia, yet fast enough and skillful(well, talent more than skill) enough to keep pressure on.
She only really has to work on her endurance. Stop eatin' them donuts and get some good fuel inside her... Basically, Xane is more like Brunhildagarde in her prime, but a lot less focused.
F.
PS. Noa was right. If either M or Debbie had a hand in that situation, the conflict would have been over before you could say "Draconic Sleep Spell". They both had to go to make this interesting. So, off they went.
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on 10/15/2004 12:41:22 PM CT |
Fred's world (* a true multiverse, with A HISTORY!!!) continues to grow.
*I strongly suspect that Miracle's powers are not anything that has ever been discussed before. Not magic, not psi, not taychon skimming, not nonlocal antilinear zugmot, and not mountain dew- twinkies- or other "superfood"...
as an interesting aside:
the "chronal torque" side effect of miracle's time freezing powers is an interesting twist on the "elastic" nature of the universal medium (*the very fabric of space). in that the stretching of space (*und hence, time) causes a backlash akin to the violence of a drawn bowstring...
fo course, the reverse action of chronal torque against precognition, and time travellers tends to affect the equipment used...
for example, a precognitive psychic's nervous system.
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on 10/15/2004 3:22:48 PM CT |
| Dude M's part of the Dynasty! Or at least related to them in some way. He's not a robot because he fels pain and bleeds but he has something going on under that false skin and they are the only thing i can think of that have a robotic look to them and would want to hide it to blend in. Maybe he's a gardener or a descendant of them.
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on 10/15/2004 6:36:30 PM CT |
What I want to know is when are we gonna see Fauntleroy finally throw down with the good guys and kick some posterior. He roughed up Ryan and Seance back in the early color series but that was off panel. And then he got schooled by Seance later, it was very un-becoming. He showed just how tough he was when he took a kick from Brittany and didn't even flinch and then that whole big-ass rock throwing deal in the Mymior story.
Still, we've never actually seen him go all out against his enemies. He either gets knocked down or stands back and lets the ladies handle it. I can understand as an intellectual character he wouldn't be prone to fighting his own battles but I'm sure he's got major butt-whuppin potential just waiting to bust out. We know he's more powerful than a were-cheetah at any rate, I'd wager he's probably in Monty's power class or abouts.
Come on Fred, he's my favorite character, you just gotta give him an opportunity to open a can on somebody. Please!
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on 10/15/2004 10:47:38 PM CT |
| There's no way he's in Monty's class. Faunty's one big sissy roled up in an arrogent hide. He couldnt beat stripe there's no way he could come close to Monty, Monty would wear Fauntleroy out in a heartbeat and enjoy it.
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on 10/15/2004 11:16:51 PM CT |
Why wasn't Crush sent to a null prison (like where Spellvis and Tyrant where kept back in the day)?
Agent M: Cyborg (Dynasty) or Android (Amonian)
I'm guessing M is a cyborg. Androids don't have a tendency to bleed and all of the androids, especially amonian androids, seem to be relatively fragile compared to M
Shrike: Now we have 3 confirmed were-cheetahs. I wonder if Array created Shrike as a result of meeting Bri? The fact that Shrike has a very Brit look and additude makes me wonder if Array has a bit of the Genn's skill reading ability.
I absolutely love the second panel of Xane's brain being broke by Crush's Deliverance reference.
Could Array make a dragon persona?
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on 10/15/2004 11:51:34 PM CT |
Whoo hoo!!! I'm right! I'm right! In yo face! um...
well... I was right. about something.
/walks around grinning like idiot for a while.
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on 10/16/2004 3:30:25 PM CT |
A good question about titans. I never really planned to have their appearance anywhere other than as an aside, but colossal humanoid figures wielding magic and great strength did give the dragons some problems in their lore during the earliest part of the age of magic.
I find myself wondering if the titans preferred arts & crafts or gardening. :)
Agent M is NOT one of Gina's or Madrids. He's not man-made at all. But his history is already present within GD for sure. And thats all the hint I can give you without spoiling anything. (And I may have already said too much.)
You know I can't pass up an opportunity like that. :)
Not man-made implies that he's of alien origin. And thanks to my handy-dandy GD info files, we can see that there aren't that many possibilities:
- As suggested, the Dynasty.
- The Artificers.
- The Shadows.
- The Children of Befadoci.
- Another alien race, like the Atlanteans or Amarans.
So, let's look at them one at a time:
While the Artificers certainly had the skills, they went Nomadic eons ago, when the Library went kerfluffle. So there's no way one of their creations could have been around here, unless M was much older than he looks.
The Gardners/Dynasty use symbiotes (which would explain how M can bleed) but the Gardeners may never have visitied Earth, and the Dynasty didn't know about the planet until they returned from quasi-space a few years ago, GD-time.
The Shadows...we don't know nearly enough about them, pre-Beta Phantom form...but we do know they have experience in parallel dimensions, and that not ALL Shadows became Phantoms.
The Saurians and Amonians all seem to have ended up evolving into dragons. OTOH, it's likely that one of the races built the Sphinx, so time manipulation isn't beyond their reach. I think we can rule out the other alien races, since Stripe seems to be about as powerful as they get, and M surprised him.
I'm going to go out on a limb here, and guess that Agent M is somehow tied to the Shadows, although I have no clue how :).
Am I right, Fred? :D
Best/Mario
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on 10/16/2004 5:15:54 PM CT |
| Well Rioldo was on earth before Stripe left for Aebra and he dissapeared after some of the Dynasty were turned to stone by Stripe. Being able to defeat time would explain how he escaped without anyone noticing.
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on 10/16/2004 6:32:40 PM CT |
something I forgot to mention last time,
is there something behind avenger's missing her targets lately?
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on 10/16/2004 8:36:01 PM CT |
Civ:
Unless I'm mistaken, during the timeframe of Miracle's debut, the entire Dynasty were in quasi-space. (They didn't even know about Earth until Asrial vs Cheetah...Rioldo must have stayed behind after that story).
So M CAN'T be one of them, unless he's been around for millenia.
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on 10/17/2004 1:02:53 AM CT |
M was not constructed by the shadows, artificers, dynasty, saurians or anyone Gina has encountered or studied. But his flesh *is* a shell.
And yet His history is *firmly* embedded in GD.
M is a hard one to figure out if you don't already know.
F.
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on 10/17/2004 2:46:04 AM CT |
Ah, Fred, you took away all our fun at throwing out wild threoies about how he relates to group X, and here I was working on how he was the GD verion of Tomarrow man :->, oh wait, that one could still work.
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on 10/17/2004 9:08:36 AM CT |
Hmm...
His "shell" wasn't built by anyone Gina has met or studied, which rules out the Three, the magic races of Jade, and a whole boatload of alien races. About the only other species I can think of is the (as yet unidentified) race that existed on Ti'mat (and actually invented the Beta tech) but if it's not them, I'll admit to being stumped.
Unless...the history he's anchored in is the FUTURE....
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on 10/17/2004 4:53:31 PM CT |
| Second possibility...M originally stood for Merlin....
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on 10/17/2004 9:48:59 PM CT |
This issue rocked!!!
Shrike OOOh another Were-Cheetah is she really part of Array, I thought she was just an inmate???
The part with Crush and Xane.......ROFL....ok still laughing..:)
All around great stuff.:)
So if Xane has Titan strenght what does Crush have.....eeek!!!!!!!
I want Crush out of prison....please
I think M is a peebo from the future..:) Just a guess....:)
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on 10/18/2004 8:38:20 AM CT |
actually, for some reason, fred's remark reminds me of what has/will happen to Gina.
That whole time mess, the creation of the djinn and thier keeper,
and something that I've been confused about. Did Gina go into the past or the future to meet the Artifacers?
And is she on a permanant loop now?
A mobious strip if you will?
I think somehow Miricle relates to that.
To that being 'out of time'ness that exists with him. And that events of the past and future are comeing together.
Like watching elements of a circut board create themselves to form the pattern that it will become.
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on 10/18/2004 12:06:24 PM CT |
Why wasn't Crush sent to a null prison (like where Spellvis and Tyrant where kept back in the day)?
I'm guessing (a) She's not superpowered (Neither are Slasher or, as far as they knew, Array), just really strong, and (b) She's not planning on causing trouble. In fact, she prevents it.
On Shrike, I'm guessing that after Array made Raphael a new body, she used the werecat-ness she picked up from him to make a werecat of her own. It'd make sense.
On Dragon boy, I could see him being Monty-level physically (they're both humanoid Dragons after all, and Monty isn't quite -as- physically dominant as Stripe), but Monty is without a doubt the more skilled, experianced, and focused, especially in a human body.
On Xane messing up, I bet even if Gia was in charge (heck, if it was just Stripe), the good guys would've had a much better chance. Xane may be powerful (not as strong as Crush? I think I misjudged both of them a bit. I didn't realise Crush was that strong, and I was getting the impression Xane was majorly supernaturally strong), but I take it she shouldn't be in charge.
On the Weapons Masters, that's a lot of them. So we have four trolls, one dwarf, and two humans (one in the servace of Dark Elves) in the Weapons Masters of jade so far. I'm guessing probably 2 of the remaining ones are Elves? I also wonder if the racial mix is standard or not.
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on 10/18/2004 6:19:10 PM CT |
Ah...why does everyone think Shrike is part of Array???
Did i miss something here?? Point me in the right direction please?
Cheetaur
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on 10/18/2004 6:40:43 PM CT |
Probably all that pink just to start. Then in the jail the druid and the wizard came from her human form so that pretty much proves it. Also, check the full spread in issue 56 and you'll notice the black lady has a tail hole and that she is gone when Shrike shows up.
[ Edited on: 10/18/2004 6:56:14 PM CT ]
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on 10/18/2004 7:03:55 PM CT |
You forgot one Q99...Zero. So that makes 3 Humans (Julia, Rhaotan and Zero), 1 Dwarf (G'Nola), and 4 Trolls (whos names I can only grunt properly...)
8 down and 2 to go....
(Hmmm...I woner if either of the remaining 2 are of Were or Draconic lineage?)
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on 10/18/2004 7:14:59 PM CT |
and something that I've been confused about. Did Gina go into the past or the future to meet the Artifacers?
She went to the distant past...FROM the future. (about 7-8 years, I'd guess)
And is she on a permanant loop now?
No, because while we don't know what Gina-Ancient will find when she wakes up, the Gina that got sent to the past was not AG but Gina+8ish.
So the timeline goes like this:
Way back: Gina+8ish goes back "through the needle" and meets the Artificers, and helps them back into "our" universe. Over time, she learns their secrets, and becomes Gina-Ancient. Eventually, she goes into stasis on Jade.
Recently: GA wakes up, and tries to change the future.
8 (or so) Years from now: Something happens that makes Gina+8 flee to the distant past. It's possible that Gina-Ancient wants to wake up in this time, to change the event. Otherwise, she'll wake up afterwards, in the post-Something history.
So there's a causality loop, but nothing closed.
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on 10/18/2004 8:07:26 PM CT |
Q99, Crush is superpowered. Normally she is the size of a regular human. She becomes her giant form when she switches on her powers. You're probably right she was sent to a standard prison as form of leniancy considering she was blackmailed by Crime Syndicate X.
Sean-Z, Unless I've missed something Zero isn't a weapon master. He is a high level fighter, but he knows nothing of Jade. The were-rats are his only exposer to were-folk.
M was not constructed by the shadows, artificers, dynasty, saurians or anyone Gina has encountered or studied. But his flesh *is* a shell.
And yet His history is *firmly* embedded in GD.
Notice Fred said constructed. If you want to be a rules lawyering symantics whore, then you can extrapolate that M could be a shadow, artficier, dynasty, saurain, etc.
Riogen of the dynasty (page 1 of issue 39 B+W) has the same facial structure around his eye as M. Also Riogen is shown to be a moral character whose evil actions were the results of his parents' control over him. I still can't come up with a plausible means by which M could get to Earth of approximately 20 years ago: Chronospace is too messed up thanks to Peachbody, and M's ability to push through time seems to be limited to short pauses rather than substinative jumps, so I'm probably just barking up the wrong tree.
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on 10/18/2004 8:43:47 PM CT |
Utterly useless thought.
Fact: All male Dynasty members have the phoneme "RIO" somewhere in their names.
Thesis: M is a member of the Dynasty.
Corollary: M is his first initial.
Take these items combined...what would M's real name be?
Hmmm...
Mario
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on 10/18/2004 8:46:21 PM CT |
Shrike made Array's other bodies, Faulteroy included her but not Slasher when talking to Array, and Array has a good reason for having a Werecheetah body too.
I mean, if you think about it, if Tirant has operations on both Jade and Earth (farther along on Jade, obviously), then there was bound to be one or two Array personas there (if she can travel between worlds in parts... which I think she can).
Sean-Z- Zero's one of the weapons masters? Where's that stated? (I thought he was an Earth- fighter)
Lagbert- Thanks, I missed that about Crush.
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on 10/19/2004 2:59:18 PM CT |
I didn't actually mean Faunty could beat Monty. Monty's proven himself to be badass up one end and down the other but I believe they can be classified in the same strength class and physical prowess category. I'd just like to see a really strong showing for Faunty, cause I just love 'im. :)
Anyway, before Fred posted that M was not constructed by anyone Gina has encountered, I originally thought he may have been a product of Peachbody. It made almost chillingly perfect sense, seeing as how M's powers are time related but as its nobody Gina has seen yet, there goes that idea.
Or, just throwing out ideas here, what if its an alternate version of Peachbody, like from a parallel past that created M, that would be technically someone Gina hasn't encountered. Or what if its actually PeachBenji who is M in a different form, having never encountered Dreadwing and decided to reform himself? Time was what got him into the mess he was in, thus the line "Time, you're always kicking my ass."
Here's another thought, suppose M is a product of someone Future Gina meets in the past whom she influences and this person develops M for whatever reason.
Ah, that's a lot of leaping about but who knows?
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on 10/19/2004 6:08:44 PM CT |
Y'know...I could have sworn that back in the b&w series (where Zero was first introduced) that there was a reference to him being one of the Ten...but I could be wrong (I'll have to go back and check all my back issues where Zero appears...)
I'll get back to you on a confirmation about Zero, Q99...
:)
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on 10/19/2004 7:15:25 PM CT |
Mario said
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Noa said
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and something that I've been confused about. Did Gina go into the past or the future to meet the Artifacers?
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She went to the distant past...FROM the future. (about 7-8 years, I'd guess)
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And is she on a permanant loop now?
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No, because while we don't know what Gina-Ancient will find when she wakes up, the Gina that got sent to the past was not AG but Gina+8ish.
So the timeline goes like this:
Way back: Gina+8ish goes back "through the needle" and meets the Artificers, and helps them back into "our" universe. Over time, she learns their secrets, and becomes Gina-Ancient. Eventually, she goes into stasis on Jade.
Recently: GA wakes up, and tries to change the future.
8 (or so) Years from now: Something happens that makes Gina+8 flee to the distant past. It's possible that Gina-Ancient wants to wake up in this time, to change the event. Otherwise, she'll wake up afterwards, in the post-Something history.
So there's a causality loop, but nothing closed.
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Well there is the possablity that all of time is a closed loop so by going so far into the past she may have ended up in the future. But what Mario said is correct with one correction. Gina did not flee. something bad happened that blew her deep into quisispaace, and may have taken out half the universe too, where she found a way to crossover to the last universe.
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on 10/19/2004 10:01:56 PM CT |
Okay. so while you guys are figureing that out, factor this in,
where does M figgure into that loop?
Something says to me that he is a part of that loop, but outside of it, but that later he'll be a factor IN it, or at least in preventing it.
The thing I find interesting about that, and is the only part bugging me,
is he level or morals. Meaning, he considers ALL life precious, even at the cost of his own. If someone were to come from outside, to help prevent a catastrophie on a universal scale, wouldn't they be worried more about 'the BIG picture', instead of trying to take care of all the little things.
SO that says to me either one of two things, either he's got superman levels of ideals, or he's ONLY dealing with the smaller picture.
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on 10/20/2004 11:29:36 AM CT |
The Gardeners thought all life was precious and protected it. Considering the malevolent behavior of the Dynasty offspring was the result of their parents' control over them, one could extrapolate that the once that control was removed the offspring would revert to there natural benevolent behavior.
I still can't figure out the good explaination for the time displacement required to make this theory work. Although a whole mess of peebo's blowing up inside a dynasty ship could have all sorts of consequences.
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on 10/20/2004 5:10:32 PM CT |
Gina did not flee. something bad happened that blew her deep into quisispaace, and may have taken out half the universe too, where she found a way to crossover to the last universe.
I stand corrected. This is what happens when you work from memory :)
where does M figgure into that loop?
Several possibilities, really, but the one that makes the most sense is he's somehow from the future, or possibly *A* future.
Meaning, he considers ALL life precious, even at the cost of his own. If someone were to come from outside, to help prevent a catastrophie on a universal scale, wouldn't they be worried more about 'the BIG picture', instead of trying to take care of all the little things.
This is why dragons equate the word "hero" with "idiot" :)
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on 10/20/2004 11:29:26 PM CT |
| On a side note...If Xane is like Brunhildagaard in her prime and we know Brun is stronger that Julia ( plus about 3 feet taller) and Crush is more powerfull than Xane...this makes Crush the strongest female human in GD. The question is...how does she compare to were-folk like Jetta and Cheetah? Is she stronger or equal to Monty?
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on 10/22/2004 9:34:44 AM CT |
| hey guys I've been looking through the boards and it doesn't seem to be something that anyone is seeing regarding M's mystery; Now I haven't made a connection yet,(I was leaning towards amonian but fred debunked that)but if you look at the last panel where his skin is ripped off and his eye is glowing, look at the liner around his eye. there is a point at the bottom (kinda like a thundercat(sorry only reference I could think of)) Knowing fred it is a clue to who he or what he is. Yeah I know it is weak but its a start.
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on 10/22/2004 8:31:51 PM CT |
Paradymx,
The vertical line extending downward from below the center of M's eye is similar to the vertical line extending downward from below the center of Riogen's eye. I believe that M could be Riogen of the dynasty (see prior post).
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on 10/24/2004 2:23:48 AM CT |
Weird thought struck me about Freds quote about Titains:
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A good question about titans. I never really planned to have their appearance anywhere other than as an aside, but colossal humanoid figures wielding magic and great strength did give the dragons some problems in their lore during the earliest part of the age of magic.
Faunty's never seen a titan, but its in the bedtime stories.
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Could the titians that the dragons fought be the shadows? We know that the Beta Phantoms can change size and seem to favor a very large humaniod form, have great strength, and have a strong tie to ether.
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on 10/29/2004 8:22:09 PM CT |
| The migration to Jade was near the end of the age of magic, and the shadows didn't attach Jade until centuries after the it had been settled, so considering the titans clashed with the dragons near the start of the age of magic, it seems unlikely the titans were shadows. Also the history of the shadows on Jade is so prevalent if there strengths were comparable Fluantleroy would have probably used shadow instead of titan.
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on 10/30/2004 3:00:59 PM CT |
| while you may be right. remember that it apeers to have been the Beta Phantom Shadows that wiped out the Surians who are thought to be ansestors of the dragon race and the way Fred worded it Titans are bed time stories for young dragons now so there may not be any living dragons that have ever seen both a shadow and a titan so they could be the same thing. And I think I saw some where that the dragons were born/created/evolved at the dawn of the age of magic so the timeing could fit if they were the Beta Phantom Shadows. but I do admit I'm most likly grasping at straws but a few thing do seem to fit.
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on 11/11/2004 9:05:27 AM CT |
Not to get off subject here, or maybe I'm not..... Anyway, I though maybe that it would be intregral to the plot of THIS story arc but maybe it will come to light later. I'm still not settled with the guard announcement of the dragon attack. He started to say dragon and then stopped himself like the didn't want to give himself away, like he was in on the plan, or maybe he just didn't want to sound like a crazy by annoucing a dragon attack. I can see fred adding in that detail just to show the emotions of the "regular" folks dealing with fauntlroy and crew, but then i think: the annoucer was able to recognize her as a dragon, what reference was he using, 38 is not your story book type dragon. I don't know.......
anyone else have any theories
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on 11/11/2004 9:17:43 PM CT |
Yea, I'd figure it's the 'not sound crazy' thing (see Jackie Chan adventures for something similar that has a lot of this. The government guys have to constantly avoid saying 'magic' and 'dragon' so that they don't get in trouble with their bosses).
On recognizing 38 as a Dragon... well, reptilian, scales, wings, 4 legs. I think 90% of the population would think 'dragon' or some varient thereof, even if they didn't previous thought they existed/thought it was a hoax.
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on 11/13/2004 1:56:56 AM CT |
| Near the very start of GD Theo stated that technology can easily out class magic. In more recent issues it was revealed that migration to Jade wasn't more of a running away than a peaceful passing of the ages. Considering these two things, I'd really like to see the dragon trio get taken down a notch or two by some technology. Zane beating the daylights out of "Jane" comes close, but a "normal" human handing them their tales would be a nice turn around.
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on 11/13/2004 10:48:56 PM CT |
Hmm, not a construct of the Artifacers, Dynasty, Saurians and the like, yet his history is embedded within GD history....
Hmm not a construct but what if he's part of those races? His face under his human guise looked ALOT like the facemask that Riogen and Krio of the Dynasty wore waaay back in the B&W series.
I maybe waaay off but that's a hunch myself and two pals have.
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on 11/13/2004 11:13:18 PM CT |
Also in regard to Shrike, I think Array got the ability to make her after she created Raphiel a new body which gave her the ability to create a lycanthrope particularly a werecheetah.
Also I think Array is the 'artifact' Faunty is looking for, how her powers work seems far more than what human science can attempt at. I think she was found by the goons who Tirant was raiding for blackmailing goods, and then poked and prodded so much she probably thought she was a creation of theirs. Then again her memory of before meeting Tirant is up in the air.
Hehe Crush's little remark to freak out Xane was priceless. Although this makes some speculate prison time has turned her toward lesbianism, I doubt it, the remark to made in 55 about if she declined Danni's offer back then she'd have a husband and family now instead of prison time indicates she likes men.
I like the revamped looks Six and Jane/Thirty-eight got in human form aside from their new dragonic forms, Fred as always appeals with eye candy.
Back on the subject of Xane, that woman needs some disicpline training...majorly. She acted totally unprofessional and out of control ready and looking for a fight, and as Stryyp pointed out she attacked the ones helping them and let the real criminals get away.
I remember Avenger being warned to back out of the hero business back in 38 cuz Agency Zero thinks being the typical costume hero helps birth super villians...heh how naive.
Evil or villians will always exist and appear in some form whether or not the 'heroes' are a secretive organization like Agency Zero or a out in the front hero like the Avenger. To think throwing away the costume and donning a government issue suit will lessen the disasters or number of psychopaths arising is just a fool's dream.
Back on track...the Lich King is asking for it, I know his return and possessing Brit has been in the air for some time but still possessing a Mother and putting the kid to sleep is a new low.
Father or not, Theo needs to come to gripes he can't restore the Lich and next time finish him properly...that or somebody who can fight the Lich and have the guts to finish him should.
"Some evil you can't fight back or lock away...some evil you gotta put it down for good."
I can't remember where I read or heard this saying but in some cases of dealing with villains, it applies.
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on 11/14/2004 3:29:37 AM CT |
-I remember Avenger being warned to back out of the hero business back in 38 cuz Agency Zero thinks being the typical costume hero helps birth super villians...heh how naive.-
Well, I don't think the argument was that that was the ONLY place villains came from or anything close. It's just that when they were in obvious costumes, some people would become villains JUST to attack and go after them, or to do stuff to attract their attention, and so on.
They realise there'll still be plenty of villains to fight reguardless, but you'll have a few less in number and a few less 'pointless' villains if you're subtle about it, which means more time to deal with the REAL threatening villains.
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on 11/14/2004 3:15:20 PM CT |
Point very well made, but there is something the costumed hero brings to the people the secretive ones do not.
Hope, hope to the people that there are those out to protect and serve justive. True that is the police and so forth's job but not every cop is a meta-human or endowed to handle above average criminals or psychos.
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on 11/14/2004 9:23:34 PM CT |
Back on the subject of Xane, that woman needs some disicpline training...majorly. She acted totally unprofessional and out of control ready and looking for a fight, and as Stryyp pointed out she attacked the ones helping them and let the real criminals get away.
I think we should cut Xane a break. If you were called in to assist in preventing a prison break...would you assume some of the people in prison garb were "good guys"?
And as I recall...Xane just got done thowing 38 to the pavement and Crush attacked Xane...NOT Flauntleroy or 6....and then the Avenger attacked Xane...NOT 38,6, or Flauntleroy.
So I think the only person that has the right to reproach Xane would be Stripe.
Xane did give them until she finished her Krispy Kreme after all..
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on 11/29/2004 3:45:58 PM CT |
| Just a thought, but could M be a Magent... aka a living spell.
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